Subject	For those concerned about loss of traction>>>>
Posted by	SeedyROM on October 08, 2004 at 1:40 PM
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In Reply To	New secret weapon mod for our cars. posted by ZHOUND on October 08, 2004 at 12:26 PM
Message	Not exactly sure what happened to George's post stating that the car is "useless" because it spins through first and second, but my reply to it is gone as well. Here's my rebuttal to that nonsense. THIS is why it isn't as big of a deal as some naysayers think: 1) You can now lower the boost and get the same effective acceleration that you had before. Let's say a person runs 14 psi on the street and had traction through all three gears before. Now, let's say that person gets the gears tries to run 14psi. Sure, they might spin the tires in 1st and/or part of 2nd without good tires/traction. However, they can easily lower the boost, which will regain traction and have can potentially have an equally quick car. Then when you ARE in a situation with more traction (i.e. drag strip, track tires, etc) you can turn up the boost again and have a wickedly fast car. The car is far from useless with the gears. In fact, I much prefer it because *I* have more control now. I can run LESS boost and have an EQUALLY quick car. That's a good thing where I come from. Imagine being able to be as quick as running 18psi on the highway with race gas but only needing 15psi and pump gas. Easier on the car and easier on my wallet. 2) While the above method works just fine, people with certain boost controllers can adjust the boost per gear and have it even easier. With my AVC-R I can turn it down in 1st to the point where I walk the line of traction and then turn it way up in 2nd. I can tune it to stick if I want. This is not the "end all" issue some people repeatedly try to make it out to be. In fact, they are grossly limiting the options and making it out to be a big deal when it isn't. If I'm wrong about any of this, set me straight. My 300Zs: www.zheaven.com - Have a question about either of my 300ZXs? Answers lie within. Admin: www.350ZForum.com - Your source for the lastest info on the new Nissan 350Z! Contributor: www.SportZMagazine.com - Nothing but Z cars from cover to cover! Subscribe today! Moderator: www.TwinTurbo.net - Hands down, the best site for 90-96 Z car info and discussion!
Follow Ups	New secret weapon mod for our cars. - ZHOUND 12:26:19 10/08/04 You left out the "n" in "performance" at the top of the page (n/m) - Marshall 12:34:23 10/08/04 Oops. - ZHOUND 12:37:45 10/08/04 The site looks good. - Marshall 12:48:20 10/08/04 Re: The site looks good. - ZHOUND 12:51:15 10/08/04 I can't imagine what your car could do with that! - BigTDogg (MA) 12:36:05 10/08/04 it'll probably top out 4th gear, and cause an extra shift (n/m) - Scotts94z32 13:11:57 10/08/04 Re: it'll probably top out 4th gear, and cause an extra shif - ZHOUND 13:22:09 10/08/04 Any idea on cost? - Kenny 12:37:48 10/08/04 n00b - BigTDogg (MA) 12:39:36 10/08/04 ack - missed that =(. I looked on the site, I really did. (n/m) - Kenny 14:54:02 10/08/04 Kenny, while it may seem like you missed the obvious,> - SirpriZ 12:57:51 10/08/04 Yes... that's what I was getting at. - Kenny 14:54:36 10/08/04 1 year too late... >>> - Scotts94z32 12:39:17 10/08/04 At 75-80 mph on the highway, what engine speed you at? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 12:40:33 10/08/04 9200.... in 2nd gear... I don't know, exactly, maybe 3600RPM (n/m) - Scotts94z32 12:42:18 10/08/04 Stock tachometer. - ZHOUND 17:01:16 10/08/04 this gear is stronger then the na gear...230mm vs 200mm - Borg79(ON) 14:55:41 10/08/04 The half shafts are the weak point on the NA setup. (n/m) - Toso 15:40:44 10/08/04 are u sure that underdrive pulley will fit my car? (n/m) - red300zxtt 12:40:26 10/08/04 Nice job you two :) I need to make my appointment to get em - SeedyROM 12:45:34 10/08/04 I had a special set made with your picture on them!> - SirpriZ 13:01:07 10/08/04 I was just driving to work this morning... - ZEngineer (TT) 12:48:40 10/08/04 for nothing? Do a 1:1 roll-on with a TT w/TT rear from 3kRPM - Scotts94z32 12:52:29 10/08/04 For nothing **When Not Accelerating**, read the whole post (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 12:56:00 10/08/04 I guess you need a 6th gear then.. Unravvle your bunched - Scotts94z32 13:13:17 10/08/04 They bunch up faster than I can unravvle!! (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 13:15:05 10/08/04 This can't be why you drove so slow on the way to the hotel - Dave N 13:33:54 10/08/04 I'm not so sure about that. - Marshall 15:05:30 10/08/04 you have a better way with words than I do Marshall - ZEngineer (TT) 17:08:11 10/08/04 it certainly is turbo dependant, and also engine-design - Scotts94z32 17:11:16 10/08/04 There's a tradeoff for having a damn quick car - SeedyROM 12:57:51 10/08/04 My point: The car will accelerate better - ZEngineer (TT) 13:07:08 10/08/04 "much higher" is a matter of opinion though - SeedyROM 13:15:57 10/08/04 just giving my opinion - ZEngineer (TT) 13:18:55 10/08/04 George, just don't make him hate ALL Canadians, ok? :-) I - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 14:27:10 10/08/04 they already do... (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 14:43:53 10/08/04 Re: There's a tradeoff for having a damn quick car - BoostJunky 14:21:53 10/08/04 I love jumping in. - SactoTodd 13:02:11 10/08/04 LOL. - ZHOUND 13:04:22 10/08/04 WTF are you talking about? (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 13:09:56 10/08/04 I mean. - SactoTodd 13:20:15 10/08/04 understood. - ZEngineer (TT) 13:23:47 10/08/04 Re: understood. - SactoTodd 13:29:03 10/08/04 I bought new mittens this week. (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 13:32:39 10/08/04 do they have the long string - SactoTodd 13:46:09 10/08/04 Actually I think those mitts on a string have been banned, - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 14:21:38 10/08/04 i just spit water on my KB, todd. thanks. (n/m) - Halo Z 14:24:41 10/08/04 lol (n/m) - HalfnHalf702[HAZ] 14:32:59 10/08/04 Your car doesn't warm up in 18 miles? - spicyZ 13:37:30 10/08/04 Your temp gauge might move - SactoTodd 13:44:54 10/08/04 Ok so I exagerrated slightly for effect - spicyZ 13:47:39 10/08/04 mines 2 miles. and 3 stop lights. - Halo Z 14:22:35 10/08/04 I have to agree with you. I'm driving to work less and less - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 14:24:02 10/08/04 You and Sacto should hang out sometime... :) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 13:25:45 10/08/04 the only place I wanna see Sacto hanging is from a rope. - ZEngineer (TT) 13:34:04 10/08/04 eh its not that bad - spyhunter(nj) 13:18:03 10/08/04 But the NA's run at this speed all the time - PEwithaZ 13:20:35 10/08/04 Automatic cars with high stalls. - ZHOUND 13:24:36 10/08/04 I've never had a problem with it. It's fun being on the - Guapo 13:36:37 10/08/04 keeping up with normal traffic usually makes me rev more - ZEngineer (TT) 13:48:05 10/08/04 Dude, you better get this mod cause >> - Arnel@Z32racing.com 13:38:45 10/08/04 Thanks Zo for all your help! Mark (n/m) - SirpriZ 12:55:05 10/08/04 You're welcome. (n/m) - ZHOUND 12:56:41 10/08/04 Awesome job! Always great to see new stuff for the Z. - TheTwinZ (Peru) 12:57:06 10/08/04 Nice, but tooo expensive.... - TonyD(90Z32TT) 13:00:43 10/08/04 This is a good price. - Toso 13:16:38 10/08/04 That's because it's an old Rustang as you said. - SeedyROM 13:28:35 10/08/04 Richmond Gear Ring and Pinion for Ford 8.8 - PEwithaZ 14:20:30 10/08/04 Seedy is obviously passionate about this mod - ZEngineer (TT) 14:22:36 10/08/04 True to a point. - Spongerider :) 14:29:26 10/08/04 Very much so. The decades of racing experience helps as - SeedyROM 14:35:41 10/08/04 you've totally lost your mind - ZEngineer (TT) 14:46:32 10/08/04 Chiming in REPEATEDLY everytime this is posted with - SeedyROM 15:02:10 10/08/04 1st: You're listening to too many stories - ZEngineer (TT) 15:17:40 10/08/04 I hit printscreen so I could make this post my background. (n/m) - Kenny 15:17:42 10/08/04 why? have I ever done you wrong? (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 15:25:15 10/08/04 Nothing. Lighten up princess. - Kenny 15:38:56 10/08/04 Thanks (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:30:37 10/08/04 With any new product, there is engineering time. - Toso 14:46:12 10/08/04 Re: With any new product, there is engineering time. - PEwithaZ 14:49:32 10/08/04 Exactly. - Toso 15:00:20 10/08/04 725$? You can get a NA subframe and Z1 driveshaft - BooZted 13:05:49 10/08/04 But this is a stronger rear end so there is that advantage (n/m) - PEwithaZ 13:29:26 10/08/04 yup, don't have to worry about NA 1/2shafts shearing (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 13:31:15 10/08/04 Good thing I never did an NA diff swap. I recently proved > - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 14:14:17 10/08/04 Pumps and stuff too. More money/labor for a WEAKER product - SeedyROM 13:30:29 10/08/04 Your - Spongerider :) 14:13:07 10/08/04 Your Sig... - craziestbob 14:57:26 10/08/04 I don't know how to take your comment? - Spongerider :) 15:33:19 10/08/04 He's curious of the date format: dd/mm/dd/yy? (n/m) - SactoTodd 15:41:18 10/08/04 Re: He's curious of the date format: dd/mm/dd/yy? - Spongerider :) 15:57:44 10/08/04 You need to be aware that installing these is not easy - PEwithaZ 13:26:56 10/08/04 About how many hours worth of work? (n/m) - Arnel@Z32racing.com 13:31:46 10/08/04 Not exactly sure but - SeedyROM 13:43:40 10/08/04 No, not cost, hours of work. How long? (n/m) - Arnel@Z32racing.com 13:53:43 10/08/04 I'll ask when I get my appointment - SeedyROM 13:56:59 10/08/04 Cool. Please let us know. (n/m) - Arnel@Z32racing.com 14:01:52 10/08/04 Be sure to let them know - PEwithaZ 14:52:08 10/08/04 Noted. Thanks man. - SeedyROM 15:13:34 10/08/04 Re: About how many hours worth of work? - PEwithaZ 14:07:06 10/08/04 Yeah, the website explicitly says that here - SeedyROM 13:33:54 10/08/04 Anyone interested in trying to DIY this>>>> - PEwithaZ 14:31:44 10/08/04 Awsome. - Toso 15:41:40 10/08/04 You can get the video from summit racing - PEwithaZ 16:21:14 10/08/04 Oh yeah - PEwithaZ 16:27:28 10/08/04 Nice!!! >> - Arnel@Z32racing.com 13:30:30 10/08/04 Great job Mark! - Stang Raper 13:37:26 10/08/04 permit me to chime in (again) please... - ZEngineer (TT) 13:41:28 10/08/04 ROFL - SeedyROM 13:48:13 10/08/04 WTF? - Spee 13:54:37 10/08/04 be quiet sweetheart, the men are talking now... (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 14:59:20 10/08/04 so then why are you participating? - Spee 17:21:06 10/08/04 Huh??? That's what I want! Fast fast revs!!! (n/m) - Arnel@Z32racing.com 13:59:48 10/08/04 but what if another car is revving less fast... - ZEngineer (TT) 14:04:10 10/08/04 just out of curiosity... - MyZ8u 14:14:34 10/08/04 That's a commonly asked question, I included some> - SirpriZ 16:13:06 10/08/04 canadians...sheesh (n/m) - Borg79(ON) 14:59:59 10/08/04 Guys, lets go easy on him...he IS, after all... - BigTDogg (MA) 18:09:24 10/08/04 Hey Dane, good question. It depends upon whether> - SirpriZ 16:21:45 10/08/04 fwiw, having the NA rear on my car makes it easy for me to - Guapo 16:28:08 10/08/04 Thanks for the road racing input, it's an area lacking> - SirpriZ 21:51:32 10/08/04 i do recall Scott running out of gear with his NA diff at - Stang Raper 17:19:58 10/08/04 Re: i do recall Scott running out of gear with his NA diff a - Guapo 17:26:25 10/08/04 For those concerned about loss of traction>>>> - SeedyROM 13:40:53 10/08/04 consider the source of the statement - Guapo 13:44:01 10/08/04 find one single post where I mention spinning my tires - ZEngineer (TT) 13:50:41 10/08/04 you're not worth the trouble (n/m) - Guapo 13:54:08 10/08/04 You said first and second gear were utterly useless - SeedyROM 13:55:31 10/08/04 they're not useless because you're spinning tires...*sigh* - ZEngineer (TT) 14:01:48 10/08/04 I'm sorry but that's just comedy - SeedyROM 14:08:56 10/08/04 you're saying I'm funny? Funny How? - ZEngineer (TT) 14:18:52 10/08/04 I'm sorry I took it this far. I give up with you man. - SeedyROM 15:05:20 10/08/04 sorry I stepped on your friend's toes - ZEngineer (TT) 15:22:45 10/08/04 Enough! - Toso 15:34:27 10/08/04 this is the second time we argue over this... - ZEngineer (TT) 13:46:22 10/08/04 You DID say spin. That post was removed by someone. - SeedyROM 13:50:13 10/08/04 One last attempt to make the little light in your head - ZEngineer (TT) 13:56:44 10/08/04 You're making the assumption that the stock rear end car... - Toso 14:04:15 10/08/04 Exactly. Acceleration is acceleration. (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:06:20 10/08/04 But I never loose boost. Cause I'm AUTO boy! :-) (n/m) - Arnel@Z32racing.com 14:04:32 10/08/04 Yeah, we have it even better but the manuals still will rock (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:05:45 10/08/04 Now think of this mod on 2 auto cars! (n/m) - Arnel@Z32racing.com 14:06:00 10/08/04 So you're saying a geared car is slower? Are you nuts? - SeedyROM 14:04:40 10/08/04 good, finally we're all making sense here... - ZEngineer (TT) 14:10:20 10/08/04 It always made sense George - SeedyROM 14:27:48 10/08/04 ok, but for the record: - ZEngineer (TT) 14:39:13 10/08/04 No I wont because I'll have listened to my own post - SeedyROM 14:52:26 10/08/04 You're suggesting lowering boost to compensate for a - ZEngineer (TT) 15:04:55 10/08/04 The NAs seem to do fine with the higher RPM - SeedyROM 15:07:25 10/08/04 George, if you aren't accelerating, you don't need ANY mods. - Kenny 15:56:47 10/08/04 Uhh - Georgy boy, Seedy's car has an AUTO tranny. - Dave N 15:19:45 10/08/04 This might help? - Spongerider :) 14:18:00 10/08/04 George, I sense the hate in your post:)) (n/m) - AzHeat 14:38:57 10/08/04 LOL! How long were you waiting to serve me with that? (n/m) - ZEngineer (TT) 14:47:44 10/08/04 Just logged in, Looked like the right time. "Hate" is - AzHeat 14:49:32 10/08/04 Hi stoopit. - nixit 16:27:21 10/08/04 you need to drive my car again on the track (n/m) - Guapo 16:30:37 10/08/04 Well, you do only have 245s on the back, and they were - BigTDogg (MA) 18:49:36 10/08/04 Mclaren F1 uses a 2.37 gear ratio - MyZ8u 14:22:44 10/08/04 Whats your point? (n/m) - Toso 14:51:52 10/08/04 i ate an apple at lunch. (n/m) - Borg79(ON) 14:56:11 10/08/04 Can I correct you... - my_humble_300zx 15:27:17 10/08/04 incorrect. McLaren F1 is not an F1 spec race car. - nixit 16:28:13 10/08/04 Ah, that Mclaren F1 car... not the Formula 1 car. - my_humble_300zx 17:08:09 10/08/04 but whats the final drive of the transmission? - nixit 16:29:27 10/08/04 Just the other day, I was wondering what the longest - Moxie 15:59:20 10/08/04 I've seen bigger. (n/m) - Snoguitar 16:10:56 10/08/04 I bet you say that to all the boys. (n/m) - Kenny 16:24:53 10/08/04 Nah, that's what they say to me :-( (n/m) - Snoguitar 16:30:12 10/08/04 OMG Lol (n/m) - govaardz(Aruba) 21:40:10 10/08/04 Product of the year . - govaardz(Aruba) 22:08:45 10/08/04
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